{"id":8918,"date":"2020-09-11T10:00:00","date_gmt":"2020-09-11T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/aviancetechnologies.com\/blog\/why-you-cant-get-a-high-end-gpu-in-a-ryzen-gaming-laptop\/"},"modified":"2020-09-11T10:00:00","modified_gmt":"2020-09-11T10:00:00","slug":"why-you-cant-get-a-high-end-gpu-in-a-ryzen-gaming-laptop","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/aviancetechnologies.com\/blog\/why-you-cant-get-a-high-end-gpu-in-a-ryzen-gaming-laptop\/","title":{"rendered":"Why you can&#8217;t get a high-end GPU in a Ryzen gaming laptop"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0\u00a0<br \/>\n[responsivevoice_button rate=&#8221;1\u2033 pitch=&#8221;1.2\u2033 volume=&#8221;0.8\u2033 voice=&#8221;US English Female&#8221; buttontext=&#8221;Story in Audio&#8221;]<\/p>\n<h2>Why you can&#8217;t get a high-end GPU in a Ryzen gaming laptop<\/h2>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/aviancetechnologies.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/09\/Why-you-cant-get-a-high-end-GPU-in-a-Ryzen.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<div id=\"drr-container\" itemprop=\"articleBody\">\n<p>Why aren\u2019t Ryzen gaming laptops getting the same GPU love that their Intel-based rivals are? In the same week that\u00a0Alienware updated its M17 and Area 51m with GeForce RTX 2080 Super GPUs, and\u00a0Gigabyte introduced its Aorus 15P aimed at professional gamers with its 10th-gen Intel CPU and GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q, Ryzen got blanked, with no new gaming laptops featuring anything faster than a GeForce RTX 2060.<\/p>\n<p>Even<a href=\"https:\/\/www.omen.com\/us\/en\/laptops\/2020-omen-15-amd\/specifications.html\" rel=\"noopener nofollow noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"> HP\u2019s recently released Ryzen-based Omen 15<\/a>\u00a0can\u2019t get a break. The version of the Omen 15 with an 8-core Ryzen 7 4800H offers a GeForce GTX 1660 Ti right now, with an RTX 2060 Max-Q version on the way. The Intel version, however, comes with a 6-core Core i7-10750H and up to a GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q.<\/p>\n<h2>Conspiracy!<\/h2>\n<p>The situation is so baffling that reputable media outlets like\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.notebookcheck.net\/Where-are-all-the-AMD-Ryzen-7-GeForce-RTX-2070-laptops-These-Eluktronics-models-are-proof-that-we-re-ready-for-them.484866.0.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">Notebookcheck.net have openly wondered where the Ryzen laptops with high-end GPUs<\/a>\u00a0are. The mystery has, of course, also<a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/Amd\/comments\/gm86l4\/why_no_highend_ryzen_79_4800h4900h_laptops\/\" rel=\"noopener nofollow noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\"> spawned conspiracy theories<\/a> by those\u00a0who speculate\u00a0that the real or imagined hand of Intel is at work.<\/p>\n<p>\u201c&#8230;the fact that not a single OEM offers a high-end Ryzen laptop to me sounds like the OEMs are being bribed by Intel or something similar,\u201d one Redditor guessed in the AMD subreddit. \u201cI don\u2019t want to have to give Intel money, but if there\u2019s not a single option for a high-end Ryzen laptop, I\u2019ll have no choice.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2>Ryzen 4000 doesn\u2019t have enough PCIe?<\/h2>\n<p>Igorslab.de (the successor to Tom\u2019s Hardware Germany) actually <a href=\"https:\/\/www.igorslab.de\/en\/manufacturers-when-gaming-notebooks-in-the-clamp-ryzen-4000-apus-in-the-bandwidth-limit-tiger-lake-comes-first-with-only-4-cores-2\/\" rel=\"noopener nofollow noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">throws out a theory<\/a> that the dearth of Ryzens with high-end GPUs may be due to AMD\u2019s mobile chip itself. According to the\u00a0laptop makers it spoke to, Igorslab.de says, the Ryzen 4000\u2019s access to only eight lanes of PCIe 3.0 was seen as too much of a penalty. \u201cA gaming laptop with a more powerful GeForce RTX would already have to struggle with unnecessary limits today,\u201d Igor Wallossek said.<\/p>\n<p>While Wallossek makes a good point, that hasn\u2019t stopped other laptop makers from making the same design choice on purpose, and with higher-powered hardware. Alienware\u2019s original Area 51m, for example, features a desktop Core i9 and a GeForce RTX 2080. While that chip has 16 lanes of PCIe 3.0, Alienware purposely uses half of it for the Amplifier expansion port. Asked why, Alienware officials told PCWorld its research, plus independent research, has long shown that PCIe bandwidth wasn\u2019t a limiting factor in today\u2019s games.<\/p>\n<p>So if it\u2019s not a technical reason, it must be darker forces? PCWorld asked Nvidia for comment, but the company was mum.<\/p>\n<h2>Good burn, Intel<\/h2>\n<p>Intel officials, however, readily volunteered that maybe, just maybe, Core is better, and that\u2019s why it comes with high-end GPUs.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"nativo-promo nativo-promo-1 smartphone tablet desktop\" id=\"\"\/>\n<p>\u201cWe can\u2019t comment on behalf of each of our OEM partner\u2019s design decisions,\u201d an Intel spokesman said. \u201cWe believe it\u2019s important for systems to be designed to get the most of the combined configurations and to have balanced levels of performance across CPU and GPU to avoid any bottlenecks.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The company has <a href=\"https:\/\/wccftech.com\/intel-claims-gaming-real-world-benchmarks-leak-10th-gen-cpus-vs-amd-ryzen-4000-renoir-apus\/\" rel=\"noopener nofollow noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">recently been showing numbers<\/a> to vendors that its high clock speeds still matter more in most games than the pure thread count Ryzen boasts. Intel officials further suggested that maybe having more PCIe is better.\u00a0\u201cIntel 10th Gen H-series processors provide the highest mobile processor frequencies to unlock max gaming potential\u2013and the platform has desktop-like features with 40 Gen 3 PCIe lanes to fully take advantage of the highest end GPUs, as well as the ability to support enthusiast preferred configurations such as RAID SSD (up to 4), so gamers can enjoy the highest FPS experiences available.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Again, we don\u2019t think GPU bandwidth is necessarily at play here, but solid burn, Intel.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>So what is really going on?\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>PCWorld reached out to several industry sources, none of which were willing to be named. In any case, several said the cries of conspiracy and technical shortcomings aren\u2019t it.<\/p>\n<aside class=\"nativo-promo nativo-promo-2 tablet desktop smartphone\" id=\"\"\/>\n<p>Two of the unnamed laptop makers, in fact, told PCWorld it\u2019s just timing. It\u2019s been a busy year with the pandemic, temporarily shuttered factories, off-the-chart demand for laptops and new product launches. The chatter around the fire, PCWorld was told, is to give it time and the situation will change.<\/p>\n<p>PCWorld already knew AMD&#8217;s side of the story, delivered by Chief Architect Frank Azor when he visited <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=DetDeQWd9IM\" rel=\"nofollow\">The Full Nerd<\/a>\u00a0in May.\u00a0Azor addresses the lack of high-end GPUs in Ryzen laptops at 48 minutes into the interview.<\/p>\n<figure class=\"large\">\n<div class=\"embed-wrapper\">\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/DetDeQWd9IM?start=2921\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"> <\/iframe><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<figure class=\"large\">\n<\/figure>\n<p>Azor\u2014who previously worked at Alienware and Dell\u2014attributed it to timing as well. Azor said laptop makers have finite budgets. When Ryzen 4000 was on the roadmap, few were going to make big bets on a CPU that previously hadn\u2019t done well. While AMD\u2019s reputation among gamers and enthusiasts has improved, many laptop customers weren\u2019t ready to bet on it either.<\/p>\n<p>The first Ryzen 4000 laptops have changed that perception, Azor said, but it still takes times for new products to be designed, tested and manufactured.<\/p>\n<div class=\"end-note\">\n<p>\t\t<!-- blx4 #2008 blox4.html  --><\/p>\n<div id=\"\" class=\"blx blxParticleendnote blxM2008  blox4_html  blxC24068\">Note: When you purchase something after clicking links in our articles, we may earn a small commission. 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